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Re: Stumpwm-devel Digest, Vol 105, Issue 12

Kenan Bölükbaşı
Hi, I am a designer and a stumpwm fan. I couldn't keep myself from drafting an alternative when I saw the logo discussion. So, how about one of these:

http://kenanb.com/static/img/stumpwm.png


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Today's Topics:

   1. New Logo Survey (David Bjergaard)
   2. Re: New Logo Survey (Alex Kost)
   3. Re: Revitalizing StumpWM (Michael Filonenko)
   4. Re: New Logo Survey (David Bjergaard)
   5. Re: New Logo Survey (Pedro Insua)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:10:03 -0500
From: David Bjergaard <[hidden email]>
To: stumpwm-devel  <[hidden email]>
Subject: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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Hi All,

The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using stump four
years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've created a
google form where you can vote for your favorite:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform

In a week I'll announce the winner. As said on the form, and on the
wiki:

For any of the logos [...], minor changes would be needed to really use
them as a logo.

Cheers,

    Dave

[1] https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:45:57 +0400
From: Alex Kost <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain

David Bjergaard (2014-01-30 22:10 +0400) wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using stump four
> years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've created a
> google form where you can vote for your favorite:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform

I drew an SVG of my variant of logo.  I hope it's not too late to
participate in the competition :)

The logo can be found in the bottom of
<https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo> or at
<https://github.com/alezost/stumpwm-logo>.

--
All the best, Alex



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:01:05 +0400
From: Michael Filonenko <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email], StumpWM-devel <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [STUMP] Revitalizing StumpWM
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Hi all.

clx-truetype performance leaks are bitmap caching at client side, instead
of server side and kerning.





On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Michael Raskin <[hidden email]>wrote:

> >Michael Raskin <[hidden email]> writes:
> >
> >>>> 3. Text drawing is slower with this fork, especially when some
> character
> >>>> is drawn after it is purged from cache as too old. As far as
> >>>> I understand this doesn't affect fixed fonts, but it is something to
> >>>> document?
> >>>Can you explain point 3?  I'm happy to merge this with the core, I just
> >>>want to understand exactly what you mean. I'm actually using this
> >>>version on one of my computers now.
> >>
> >> I have a custom command (listing all tags of all windows) that produces
> >> a lot of text. If I run it twice, second run is almost always
> >> instantaneous. But sometimes the first run of that command takes a few
> >> seconds. Under adverse conditions it can even take ten seconds to draw
> >> the message.
> >If I'm following, users of bitmap fonts won't see a difference, but if
> >you choose to render truetype (TT) fonts then you may see a delay if stump
> >tries to dump a lot of text on screen?
>
> I didn't test it well, but apparently fixed font works fine.
>
> >The takeaway is:
> >1. If this is reintegrated, users will get the same old
> >   performance "out of the box"
> >2. If you choose to use TT fonts, you may see performance impacts when
> >   dumping large chunks of text to the screen
> >
> >Michael, are you aware of why this is the case? Is it an issue that can
> >be fixed in StumpWM, or is it in the TT rendering library?  It would be
> >helpful to have an example command that just dumped a grid of characters
> >so that we could ensure that there isn't something funky going on
> >elsewhere.
>
> I feel it is a problem with clx-truetype, but I am not completely sure.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:18:02 -0500
From: David Bjergaard <[hidden email]>
To: Alex Kost <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
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Hi all,

I've added Alex's logo as an option.  Since his logo was a late edition
I've split the responses into a new file.

*Note* If you have already voted, you may vote again for Alex's logo if
you want to.

In the event of a tie between the new and old responses, we'll have a
tiebreaker between the two tied logos.

Cheers,

    Dave

Alex Kost <[hidden email]> writes:

> David Bjergaard (2014-01-30 22:10 +0400) wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using stump four
>> years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've created a
>> google form where you can vote for your favorite:
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform
>
> I drew an SVG of my variant of logo.  I hope it's not too late to
> participate in the competition :)
>
> The logo can be found in the bottom of
> <https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo> or at
> <https://github.com/alezost/stumpwm-logo>.
>
> --
> All the best, Alex
>
> _______________________________________________
> Stumpwm-devel mailing list
> [hidden email]
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:40:53 +0100
From: Pedro Insua <[hidden email]>
To: stumpwm-devel  <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

At Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:10:03 -0500,
David Bjergaard wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using stump four
> years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've created a
> google form where you can vote for your favorite:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform

  Could you put 'none' to be a choice? My minimalistic mind doesn't like any logo..


  (sorry.. my english is really bad..)

>
> In a week I'll announce the winner. As said on the form, and on the
> wiki:
>
> For any of the logos [...], minor changes would be needed to really use
> them as a logo.
>
> Cheers,
>
>     Dave
>
> [1] https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/stumpwm-devel
>



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Re: Stumpwm-devel Digest, Vol 105, Issue 12

Evan-59
That's really nice! I really like the top one, but it's hard to
differentiate between the W and the M. Would it be possible to make the
two easier to tell apart without actually separating them?

-E

On 01/31/2014 12:22 PM, Kenan Bölükbaşı wrote:

> Hi, I am a designer and a stumpwm fan. I couldn't keep myself from
> drafting an alternative when I saw the logo discussion. So, how about
> one of these:
>
> http://kenanb.com/static/img/stumpwm.png
>
>
> 2014-01-31 <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
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>     Today's Topics:
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>        1. New Logo Survey (David Bjergaard)
>        2. Re: New Logo Survey (Alex Kost)
>        3. Re: Revitalizing StumpWM (Michael Filonenko)
>        4. Re: New Logo Survey (David Bjergaard)
>        5. Re: New Logo Survey (Pedro Insua)
>
>
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:10:03 -0500
>     From: David Bjergaard <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     To: stumpwm-devel  <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Subject: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
>     Message-ID: <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain
>
>     Hi All,
>
>     The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using
>     stump four
>     years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've created a
>     google form where you can vote for your favorite:
>     https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform
>
>     In a week I'll announce the winner. As said on the form, and on the
>     wiki:
>
>     For any of the logos [...], minor changes would be needed to really use
>     them as a logo.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>         Dave
>
>     [1] https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     Message: 2
>     Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:45:57 +0400
>     From: Alex Kost <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     Subject: Re: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
>     Message-ID: <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain
>
>     David Bjergaard (2014-01-30 22:10 +0400) wrote:
>
>     > Hi All,
>     >
>     > The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using
>     stump four
>     > years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've
>     created a
>     > google form where you can vote for your favorite:
>     >
>     https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform
>
>     I drew an SVG of my variant of logo.  I hope it's not too late to
>     participate in the competition :)
>
>     The logo can be found in the bottom of
>     <https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo> or at
>     <https://github.com/alezost/stumpwm-logo>.
>
>     --
>     All the best, Alex
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     Message: 3
>     Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:01:05 +0400
>     From: Michael Filonenko <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     Cc: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>,
>     StumpWM-devel <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Subject: Re: [STUMP] Revitalizing StumpWM
>     Message-ID:
>            
>     <CACdxn72TcyrK=u7=kfERt+BgpaLZgCVh8Lru=[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>     Hi all.
>
>     clx-truetype performance leaks are bitmap caching at client side,
>     instead
>     of server side and kerning.
>
>
>
>
>
>     On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Michael Raskin
>     <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>wrote:
>
>     > >Michael Raskin <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     writes:
>     > >
>     > >>>> 3. Text drawing is slower with this fork, especially when some
>     > character
>     > >>>> is drawn after it is purged from cache as too old. As far as
>     > >>>> I understand this doesn't affect fixed fonts, but it is
>     something to
>     > >>>> document?
>     > >>>Can you explain point 3?  I'm happy to merge this with the
>     core, I just
>     > >>>want to understand exactly what you mean. I'm actually using this
>     > >>>version on one of my computers now.
>     > >>
>     > >> I have a custom command (listing all tags of all windows) that
>     produces
>     > >> a lot of text. If I run it twice, second run is almost always
>     > >> instantaneous. But sometimes the first run of that command
>     takes a few
>     > >> seconds. Under adverse conditions it can even take ten seconds
>     to draw
>     > >> the message.
>     > >If I'm following, users of bitmap fonts won't see a difference,
>     but if
>     > >you choose to render truetype (TT) fonts then you may see a delay
>     if stump
>     > >tries to dump a lot of text on screen?
>     >
>     > I didn't test it well, but apparently fixed font works fine.
>     >
>     > >The takeaway is:
>     > >1. If this is reintegrated, users will get the same old
>     > >   performance "out of the box"
>     > >2. If you choose to use TT fonts, you may see performance impacts
>     when
>     > >   dumping large chunks of text to the screen
>     > >
>     > >Michael, are you aware of why this is the case? Is it an issue
>     that can
>     > >be fixed in StumpWM, or is it in the TT rendering library?  It
>     would be
>     > >helpful to have an example command that just dumped a grid of
>     characters
>     > >so that we could ensure that there isn't something funky going on
>     > >elsewhere.
>     >
>     > I feel it is a problem with clx-truetype, but I am not completely
>     sure.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Stumpwm-devel mailing list
>     > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/stumpwm-devel
>     >
>
>
>
>     --
>     With best regards, Michael Filonenko
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>     Message: 4
>     Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:18:02 -0500
>     From: David Bjergaard <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     To: Alex Kost <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Cc: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     Subject: Re: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
>     Message-ID: <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I've added Alex's logo as an option.  Since his logo was a late edition
>     I've split the responses into a new file.
>
>     *Note* If you have already voted, you may vote again for Alex's logo if
>     you want to.
>
>     In the event of a tie between the new and old responses, we'll have a
>     tiebreaker between the two tied logos.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>         Dave
>
>     Alex Kost <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> writes:
>
>     > David Bjergaard (2014-01-30 22:10 +0400) wrote:
>     >
>     >> Hi All,
>     >>
>     >> The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using
>     stump four
>     >> years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've
>     created a
>     >> google form where you can vote for your favorite:
>     >>
>     https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform
>     >
>     > I drew an SVG of my variant of logo.  I hope it's not too late to
>     > participate in the competition :)
>     >
>     > The logo can be found in the bottom of
>     > <https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo> or at
>     > <https://github.com/alezost/stumpwm-logo>.
>     >
>     > --
>     > All the best, Alex
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Stumpwm-devel mailing list
>     > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/stumpwm-devel
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     Message: 5
>     Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:40:53 +0100
>     From: Pedro Insua <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     To: stumpwm-devel  <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     Subject: Re: [STUMP] New Logo Survey
>     Message-ID: <874n4km7e2.wl%[hidden email]
>     <mailto:874n4km7e2.wl%[hidden email]>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>     At Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:10:03 -0500,
>     David Bjergaard wrote:
>     >
>     > Hi All,
>     >
>     > The new logo wiki [1] has been in existence since I started using
>     stump four
>     > years ago.  There are lots of good logos on that page, so I've
>     created a
>     > google form where you can vote for your favorite:
>     >
>     https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EH33y-pmRE4Nv2k769GnEwy7jF1FoZwOhHhFdaShtRk/viewform
>
>       Could you put 'none' to be a choice? My minimalistic mind doesn't
>     like any logo..
>
>
>       (sorry.. my english is really bad..)
>
>     >
>     > In a week I'll announce the winner. As said on the form, and on the
>     > wiki:
>     >
>     > For any of the logos [...], minor changes would be needed to
>     really use
>     > them as a logo.
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     >
>     >     Dave
>     >
>     > [1] https://github.com/sabetts/stumpwm/wiki/NewLogo
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Stumpwm-devel mailing list
>     > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/stumpwm-devel
>     >
>
>
>
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Re: Stumpwm-devel Digest, Vol 105, Issue 12

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Hi,

January, 31 at 20:22 Kenan Bölükbaşı wrote:

> Hi, I am a designer and a stumpwm fan. I couldn't keep myself from
> drafting an alternative when I saw the logo discussion. So, how about
> one of these:
>
> http://kenanb.com/static/img/stumpwm.png

FWIW I much prefer these two logos to the others.
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